Join us for a conversation with Carlos Rosa-Laguer, most recently pastor of Immanuel United Methodist Church in Rochester, NY, as he shares about their fanatically relationship-focused approach to spiritual community. Hear him tell the story about running a hot dog stand in the most dangerous streets in Rochester, the importance of patience when engaging in ministry, how personal relationships come before everything else in building community, and what it means to live in a way that we both expect and need the miraculous to happen.

Before our interview, hear a brief conversation with guest (and guest host) Justin Hancock about his new book, The Julian Way: A Theology of Wholeness for All of God’s People.